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welcome back to another episode of uap

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studies i'm jason and uh joining us

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again is louis borges how are you doing

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louie i'm doing really good brother

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thanks for having me again and uh super

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excited about our guest he's proudly

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canadian guest

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got a big resume of things he's involved

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with all very noble and uh positive

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things and he's a really good source of

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information especially being a member of

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mufon so uh uh yeah we'll toss it back

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to you let's intro our guess and let's

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get right into it perfect jason has been

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somebody uh that i've become friends

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with uh but long distance and uh

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supposedly not supposedly he helped me

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initially uh when i first joined mufon

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he's trained me he's uh my source

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whenever i get stuck on anything and as

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of late i've been really behind on my

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investigations with

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i've been really mad at that so i need

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to get my butt back in shape uh but

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jason was also one of my first guests on

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the podcast and um

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when i asked him you know i got a

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podcast would you be honest sir he's

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like absolutely

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that's how i felt when i first started

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just this uh puny little dude trying to

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do a podcast uh and jason was gracious

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enough to uh come on and be one of my

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first guests and he's come on since uh a

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few times i think this is your third

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time jason on the podcast

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that's right yeah and uh so jason i one

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of the things that i always get into

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with any investigators and this is for

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the people that haven't uh heard your

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other episodes yet

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but what got you initially interested in

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the topic of of

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uaps

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what

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initiated that for you

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it all started with a book i found in

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the library at school when i was a kid

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there was a

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book on the shelf i was really into

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mysterious things like

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that

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the loch ness monster or the bermuda

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triangle things like that that really

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captured my imagination and it was like

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public school i i don't i can't remember

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exactly what grade i was in i think i

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was like grade three maybe grade two

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maybe even grade four i'm not 100 sure

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but i was right young

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and there was a section in our school

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library and had all these different

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types of books and one was about ufos

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i picked that up

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and it's become a lifelong obsession

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ever since really

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i haven't

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down since then

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and what was it about the book

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specifically that that triggered it for

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you that sort of cemented it for you

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it was the thought that there's other

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life out there because

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overactive imagination

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something like that

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it was in a book so it seemed like it

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had to be real so it was um

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maybe

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like that that this is real so

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it just

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catapulted through that and i just

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became you could say obsessed with it

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afterwards trying to find if i could

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figure out

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if it was real or not

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how did that lead into you're getting

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interested in mufon and eventually

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becoming a member and now like chief you

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know investigator for mufon how did you

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transition from one to the other

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so i was doing my own investigations

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i would take out the library books and i

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would contact other libraries asking if

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they had newspapers from that area and

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this was before the internet was a thing

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in people's homes so it was a very

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tedious process and my mom would help me

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and it was just a matter of reaching out

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to these places to try to get

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information

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and i would keep all these little

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clippings i would get an envelope from

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some place and

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it would have whatever information they

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had or a photocopy of a page or

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something and

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i just kept doing that i just kept it

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sort of like a hobby as a child

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as i got older that's when the internet

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became a thing and i was able to start

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looking into things for myself

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and i was doing my own full-on

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investigations just over the internet

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with the tools that we had then

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and uh

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it wasn't until about five years ago so

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that i actually

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got a hold of mufon

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i did so because

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i figured i'd have a more steady stream

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of access to these types of cases

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and i'd be able to come up with a better

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conclusion i would have more tools at my

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disposal disposal to use to find the

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secrets is so i thought

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but like

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crazy interesting stories like things

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that would just you know we all heard

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like the famous abduction cases and

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things like that that most people are

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aware of but being in a regional part of

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the world right you're you're in canada

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so it's mufon specifically here like i

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bet you you know a lot of our canadian

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listeners have no clue about half the

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stuff that's gone down in our own

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country so do you have anything uh that

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comes to mind in that regard well

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there's so many there's so many like

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it's not canadian specific but i

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remember the first time i read project

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serpo

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encounters of the third kind was based

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off of this and it just

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your imagination runs wild you have to

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learn how to

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to dig through all of that kind of muck

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in this field and for sure decipher

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what's actually science fiction compared

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to what could be science fact

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cases that like captivated me you could

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actually find most of them on the

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government of canada's website they have

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a good selection on there that you could

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review and

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you know they've been looked into by the

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rcmp

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investigation outlets across the country

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looking into these and if they still

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weren't able to come up with a

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i thought i uh printed off the uh all

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the canadian ufos and stuff like that uh

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documentation that they released

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and i put it all in the books just to

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yeah they actually have some really good

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yeah absolutely um i think my favorite

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has to be clan lake

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clan lake north northwestern uh

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territories

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like i can't remember the exact date now

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these two prospects where this

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prospector was out at the lake and some

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an object touched down but it hit the

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water and it did like this big spinning

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effect and there was spokes coming off

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of it

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he tried to

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go to where the the object crashed but

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he couldn't find anything in there and

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investigation came about of it and

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you fast forward half a century to now

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one of my friends mikey mcbrian he was

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part of that show

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ice pilots

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well he has his own plane and

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he actually went and flew out there he

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got a hold of me asking if i knew the

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exact crash landing area so

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i didn't know the exact area but he went

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out he went and scouted he touched down

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he went camping there and did a drone

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survey of the area and got all these

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pretty cool pictures and

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we were supposed to go up together me

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and him to go on to the site but then

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kovid hit and everything had to take a

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back burner

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nice and this was fairly recent then

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that me and him were going to go up

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there yeah or that does that yeah yeah

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this was fairly recent like within the

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last two years

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okay we were supposed to go up there but

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yeah this sighting actually took place

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i want to say the late 50s i'm not

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entirely sure i can't recall off the top

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of my head but it's pretty interesting

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yeah because canada's had some pretty uh

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good cases as well i mean we

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fixate on what took place in the states

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because the states let's face it has had

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a lot of activity and they're trying to

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keep it secret they're doing a horrible

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job at it because you know all that

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information is out there but canada uh

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you know the falcon lake incident was is

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pretty big uh that was kind of like our

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you know roswell of canada

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pretty much case right and then the one

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in was it shag harbor uh yeah yeah

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nova scotia that one was witnessed by

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you know hundreds of people so

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we've had you know our own cases in

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canada that uh rival some of what took

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place in the states

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and still till today we still have what

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norad and stuff like that that trace

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uaps coming from the north you know from

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alaska traveling all the way down to the

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states so uh you know they cross canada

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canada is a very active place so yeah

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there's even one in the the new uh

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2021 canadian ufo survey that that that

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exact trajectory from alaska towards

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minnesota that it was reported by a

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pilot right

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no um the other question that i wanted

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sort of look at as well is the canadian

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ufo survey 2021 which you just uh told

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me about yesterday got released

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anything juicy about this uh survey

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i think 700 i got it right here

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let me just dig into this here

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i think it's

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722 cases

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reported all across canada for last year

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and that that that's a big undertaking

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itself having to collect that

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information you know because there's all

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these little satellite groups across the

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exactly uh the report they just give

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like a quick synopsis of what took place

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or there's people that post something on

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facebook and a guy's hobby as collecting

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ufo reports takes the report so

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trying to go across and contact all

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these different

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research organizations across the

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country is a huge

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uh undertaking in itself right and

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having to compile all that data as well

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is another

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big undertaking

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but

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for what was reported to these agencies

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there were 722 cases that were reported

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and

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the survey is actually saying that that

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is a 42

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decrease from the year before

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and that the number of ufo sightings

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reported in canada for 2021 is the

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lowest since 20 uh or sorry

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2003

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so 20 years ago almost oh really

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yeah so

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let's go ahead sorry jay i i was going

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to say there's

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it's been a major drop then from 2020

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because that when we first had the uh

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kovid there was a lot more reports i

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guess people were at home more outside

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more and then it totally dropped is

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that relevant at all

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absolutely 100

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it was also

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a lot to do with starlink

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with our reports to mufon

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i'm going to say within the first year

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but by 2020 yeah 2020 to 2021

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i'm gonna say close to 40 percent of our

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reports

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which was huge

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yeah

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even on the move on site we have it

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right there when you first go on

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yeah

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how the satellites look like and if

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you've seen this you don't need to make

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a report uh we know what it is yeah

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exactly

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yeah i haven't actually seen them for

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myself yet i i've really yeah i haven't

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actually seen them oh wow yeah i used to

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do night watches i haven't done a night

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watch in like a year and a half but

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i i i was hoping to see them but i've

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never had is it a is it a collection of

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uh satellites or just one yeah up to 40.

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40. yeah all in a row so it was like a

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crosstalk belt just ripping through the

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sky kind of thing yeah pretty much wow

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that's awesome yeah yes pissing off a

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lot of astronomers though because it's

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ruining their view of the night sky

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right or your time lapse that you've got

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eight hours into you know yeah yeah and

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then your friend used to do a streak

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yeah everybody used to do time lapses

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and like if i even as much as close the

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door in the house he said it would do

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something to the image and it wouldn't

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be like you literally had to set it and

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then like leave the house and don't open

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a window don't close the door

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no movement whatsoever if you want to

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have that proper long exposure right so

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wow yeah it would piss those guys off

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for sure because he was a bit of not

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with that so

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and not to mention

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these satellites aren't following all

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the same trajectory so there's times in

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the little crisscross

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and it'll make it look like something is

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exploding in the sky slowly but you got

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four objects descending from a center

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point all taking off in its own

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direction so it really tricks people's

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minds at the same time as to what

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they're seeing

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especially if there's cloud cover

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and you're just seeing this object

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popping in and out then all of a sudden

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there's another one beside it

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it really really trips people out

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do you have um like any advice for

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people that want to start doing night

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watches on not getting tricked by

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satellites

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because that's the one thing that get

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the people get tricked on do you have

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any advice or tips to kind of

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know when you're looking at one

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yeah anybody that's doing a night watch

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or eve or even just

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observing the night sky and they want to

386
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be more familiar download stellarium

387
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it's a free app you can put on your

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phone your ipad whatever

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and it's in real time you just point it

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at whatever you're seeing and it tells

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you what it is

392
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yeah i've used the app myself i think

393
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it's brilliant

394
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yeah and sometimes

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you know there there's satellites that

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aren't

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named on there so they could be like

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secret usa satellites or russian even

399
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who knows but yeah they're supposed to

400
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be disguised or whatnot but so it won't

401
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come up with a name but it's still a

402
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satellite you can still tell it's a

403
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satellite right that's another thing too

404
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is satellites don't you know go directly

405
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left straight up straight to the right

406
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again and then like they don't make 90

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degree turns they don't stop on a dime

408
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and go the opposite direction they have

409
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a trajectory it's just you know whatever

410
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the speed is it's it's consistent it's

411
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not it's like you know they're not going

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to go fast and stop and then drop down

413
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and then rip out again right so no no

414
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exactly the right time it's a giveaway

415
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yeah the only time that you're going to

416
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see a trajectory change is pretty much

417
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with starlink when after they deploy

418
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there's like the string of like up to 40

419
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of them

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and once they start breaking out from

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that string they're heading off to their

422
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final orbit so you might see some

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slowly breaking off from the chain or

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whatnot but

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so as far as the canadian survey is

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concerned we've had a major drop then uh

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last year in sightings out of the 700

428
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has there been really good cases or is

429
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this basically just everything from afar

430
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um well we have some some really

431
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credible witness reports from pilots

432
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which is which are always interesting

433
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always interesting cases because

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it comes down to the whole tic tac

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sighting

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you got a trained observer reporting

437
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this

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and he has real-time access to the air

439
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traffic control to confirm if they can

440
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see anything as well

441
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and when they tell you yeah no we're not

442
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seeing anything then you know there's

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something

444
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at

445
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right and you mentioned there was a case

446
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here in langley i think

447
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two years ago where a pilot had seen

448
00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:00,800
something in the sky as well reported it

449
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,959
to the tower tower said they didn't see

450
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,280
anything on it but it was quite close in

451
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proximity to this uh pilot and i forgot

452
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,919
if it was an orb of some kind that he

453
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saw

454
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,120
but i remember that being a big case

455
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,600
here in bc and i wanted to look into it

456
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,439
i didn't i was again people i've been

457
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lazy on my investigation so if you think

458
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,319
that i'm active i am not i haven't been

459
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for a little bit so

460
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:26,880
bad on me shame on me but uh i i'm still

461
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,320
uh interested in in local cases for sure

462
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,799
yeah i had one last october actually i

463
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didn't even know what the hell was going

464
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:36,000
on i sent jason the pictures like is

465
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,840
this legit like we have a windstorm

466
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:40,000
right now i can barely hold my phone

467
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:41,600
planes are grounded and there's an

468
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,080
orange orb that stayed in the same spot

469
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,400
for 45 minutes he used all the apps and

470
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,880
checked for air traffic and so we had

471
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we've got pictures and video and this

472
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was last october out in the fraser

473
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valley in british columbia so oh wow oh

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yeah

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question for you jay because you are a

476
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drone expert pretty much at this point

477
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uh that that's what you do you work with

478
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drones you work at the mines you do uh

479
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surveying if i'm not mistaken of the

480
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land uh

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so

482
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really get pissed off when people say

483
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that uh it's a drone

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because in the conditions that uh

485
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louie's talking about because we live

486
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close to each other it was so windy that

487
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night there was no way the planes could

488
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fly everybody hold my phone like to get

489
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a still image was really really tough

490
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yeah i was using like street lights in

491
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the city down below i live on top of a

492
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mountain so my view is a couple hundred

493
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kilometers from end to end like i can

494
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see well into the us and about four

495
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different cities on the border part of

496
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canada here and uh yeah like it didn't

497
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move i was using lights down below as a

498
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reference point and it wasn't directly

499
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above it was like

500
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it wouldn't be 12 o'clock it would be

501
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like 11 55 it would just slightly askew

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to the left of the lower light and i

503
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kept using that as the reference and it

504
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didn't move at all and i mean even

505
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helicopters don't stay in the same spot

506
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for 45 minutes they're gonna search and

507
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there's no pulsing lights and i i got

508
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some up close footage i use night

509
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filters on my phone some pictures it

510
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just looks like a plasma it seems to

511
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have a different aspect every photo

512
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and when you use the night vision

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filters

514
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it looked like saturn it looked like a

515
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round orb with like a hazy energy around

516
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it and like clearly defined it looked

517
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like a flying saucer in the sky

518
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wow it's pretty i would like to see

519
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,480
those jason you guys gotta

520
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i'll hook you up for sure i didn't know

521
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,400
what it was my wife is uh she gets

522
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scared of the ufo phenomena she thinks

523
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they are

524
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if they do come that we're all screwed

525
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,880
so she didn't like it and i made a

526
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fleeting remark hey honey looks like a

527
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ufo because i'm always looking and

528
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:47,679
jason's always telling me you live in a

529
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,480
hot spot keep your eyes out and sure

530
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,000
enough 20 minutes later it's still there

531
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,240
and i thought that's bizarre like what

532
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,880
plane and so i called jason gilman and

533
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i'm like buddy i'm not crazy right now

534
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,160
but i think there's something going on

535
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,559
so he's like take video take pictures

536
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:04,320
like get off the phone with me

537
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,840
i'm gonna see if there's any other air

538
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,360
traffic right we ruled out all the

539
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,760
obvious suspects right off the bat

540
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and uh

541
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,240
i mean you're the expert jay what do you

542
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,640
think man is that a uap or what

543
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:20,950
no um i'll tell you this

544
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,440
a good app to use is called windy.com

545
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,000
it'll tell you your wind speeds and and

546
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,039
that'll give you a good gauge to tell if

547
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,039
a drone can be in the air because on

548
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,520
that app you have the ability to check

549
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,919
not only the surface wind

550
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:42,559
but at elevations as well you could

551
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,280
check

552
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,840
it's up to 20 000 feet or

553
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,679
where the planes are flying you could

554
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,679
check what the wind speed is up there

555
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:51,280
wow so

556
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,480
if it's

557
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screaming wind down here it doesn't

558
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,480
necessarily mean that it's screaming

559
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when up there

560
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,440
you know

561
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:01,039
so that's something i always take a look

562
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,039
into but as far as it being a drone

563
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,320
so the capabilities right right now

564
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,400
i have one drone

565
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,880
that can stay in the sky for close to

566
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,000
two hours

567
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,200
that's a fixed wing drone it can't hover

568
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,120
it's always got to move so it's

569
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:20,880
basically just using wind current to

570
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,360
stay afloat yeah

571
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,280
that is

572
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,200
like industrial

573
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:29,600
level of technology

574
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,039
for consumer level technology

575
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,280
the best that we were seeing was

576
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,919
probably around 25 minutes for what's

577
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,559
called a dji phantom

578
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,280
and they can handle wins it says up to

579
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,679
70 kilometers per hour

580
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,760
well i've flown in 70 kilometers per

581
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,760
hour and that drone wasn't moving so i

582
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,760
brought it i had to take it straight

583
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,159
back down again in order to get below

584
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:56,480
the wind and bring it back to me

585
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,240
so i'd say up to 45

586
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,000
50 pushing it

587
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,000
the drone can stay

588
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,320
relatively still

589
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,640
in about yeah about 50 50 kilometer at

590
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,080
winds

591
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,440
for a normal normal-sized consumer drone

592
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,760
now i have a really big drone it's

593
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,000
called a matrice 300

594
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,919
it could stay in the air for up to an

595
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:20,799
hour

596
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,159
and it can also combat winds up to about

597
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,039
70 maybe 80 kilometers per hour

598
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,559
and it has an internal gps

599
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,840
that will

600
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,760
hold it basically

601
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,080
stationary like a statue pretty much the

602
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,400
wind like it's going to be fighting so

603
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,679
you're going to be able to see if you're

604
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,960
physically looking at the drone you're

605
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,480
going to be able to see

606
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,440
it leaning towards but it's basically

607
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,840
going to be staying right where you left

608
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,320
it in the sky

609
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,200
in order for a drone to do that it takes

610
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,360
a lot of battery power to be fighting

611
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:57,919
these winds to hold itself stationary

612
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,400
right so if a drone has about an hour

613
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,799
battery life and it's screaming wind

614
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,400
outside and it's fighting the wind you

615
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,440
can count that to be about half that

616
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,360
battery life after

617
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,039
you know it's not going to be able to

618
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,360
stay up there the whole time well we we

619
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,679
timed it as well i think uh

620
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,760
well first of all it was probably

621
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,320
25 kilometers away from where i was

622
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,720
right it wasn't right in front of me and

623
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,600
the size of it light emission wise it

624
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,080
would have to be the size of like

625
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,320
i don't know it's probably 30 40 feet

626
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,320
because i mean i had houses and street

627
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,559
lights down below as a reference point

628
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,320
and it was probably

629
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,080
you know if a street light was a pin

630
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,480
prick it was probably 40 pin pricks you

631
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,720
know so it was always substantial enough

632
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,000
that the

633
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,720
luminosity went that far you know i

634
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,159
think if he was even uh because there

635
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,000
was a helicopter that jason tracked and

636
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,080
i could see it as he was tracking it and

637
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,080
you could see the flashing light this

638
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,480
tiny tiny flashing what a light compared

639
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,159
to this orange so

640
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,559
even um as far as what it was giving out

641
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,400
in terms of lumens

642
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,400
it was quite bright so and that's

643
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,400
another thing i was going to say

644
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,360
most drones don't have like standard

645
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,840
consumer grade drones don't have high

646
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,760
powered lights on it because it kills

647
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,880
the battery

648
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,679
yeah

649
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:18,640
that

650
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,880
or it adds weight to the drone as well

651
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:24,559
and

652
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:28,960
i have these third-party lights

653
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,600
they're called loom cubes and you can

654
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,840
control them from the ground

655
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,039
from an app

656
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,039
so you could have them as strobing or

657
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,919
you can increase the luminosity all the

658
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,320
way up to 3000 lumen

659
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,360
so i have two of those which equals

660
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,200
6000 lumen

661
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,279
this thing looks like

662
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,000
i don't know like a a spotlight coming

663
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,360
down on you

664
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,600
but even with light

665
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,400
you you know it it washes out over a

666
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,360
significant distance i'm not entirely

667
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,080
sure what a landing light for a plane

668
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,600
would be but it's going to be

669
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,840
significantly higher than

670
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,840
6000 lumen

671
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,080
you know so to be able to see it that

672
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,640
far of a distance is that's a lot of

673
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,799
output that's a lot of energy being

674
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,120
pushed out from that bulb if it's a

675
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,480
light bulb

676
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,640
yeah and the way that it was just

677
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,559
fixated in the sky

678
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,720
with the windy conditions that we had if

679
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,320
it was a plane that plane would have

680
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:30,480
shifted and i mean we timed it it was a

681
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,440
good

682
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,840
45 minutes and there's no strobing

683
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,000
either it's just a fixed orange light

684
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,640
didn't move just a big enough orange

685
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,080
light where you look at it and you're

686
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,000
like that doesn't look right you know it

687
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,919
doesn't belong there didn't do anything

688
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,080
and then finally at the very end here's

689
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,720
and you know what capped it for me was

690
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,440
it

691
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,360
started to move ever so slightly and

692
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,520
then just very slowly blinked out it

693
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,760
wasn't like a fast like a light switch

694
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,440
it was just like okay good night and

695
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,600
then it just slowly disappeared

696
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,520
and stayed relatively in that same space

697
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,760
but that the only time it ever deviated

698
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,520
off that spot was at the end when it

699
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,520
just seemed to go and south they seemed

700
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,440
to be heading south at that point and

701
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,760
just phasing out of your eyesight yeah

702
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,240
yeah wow yeah it never lost intensity

703
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,440
like it's not like it was getting

704
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,360
smaller smaller smaller it just

705
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,960
literally like you know when you're in a

706
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,480
room with a bright light and you shut it

707
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,559
off or an incandescent bulb you could

708
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,960
still see a bit of the filament for

709
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,480
half a second after it was just like

710
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,039
that it was like okay time to go now and

711
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,559
you can just

712
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,640
extinguish like a candle right it wasn't

713
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,200
like a light switch like bang instant it

714
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,640
had a gradient it had a half a second of

715
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,320
it just seemed very peaceful that's the

716
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,840
only way i could say it like it just

717
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,240
seemed like it was nice it had a nice

718
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,559
way of disappearing

719
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,799
wow wow i thought it was super cool

720
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,360
sometimes because i live right by

721
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,400
lake superior

722
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,320
the harbor here and

723
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,720
all the flights coming from toronto area

724
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,120
up towards thunder bay they fly over the

725
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,360
lake and i could see them from where i

726
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,640
live

727
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:05,679
and i can track planes as far as 80

728
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,039
kilometers out visibly by seeing their

729
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,320
front light

730
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,320
on it and it looks like that it's just a

731
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,640
stationary light in the sky from such a

732
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,520
far distance it looks like it's hovering

733
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,000
yeah but really it's coming towards us

734
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,320
at the same time but staying on that

735
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,159
elevation that it doesn't look to be

736
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,919
moving it could be mistaken as a very

737
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,440
bright star

738
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,360
and then once it gets closer to the

739
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,600
harbor that's when it starts to drift

740
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,120
out to the side

741
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,760
and you can visibly see

742
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,919
that the light is moving and then once

743
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,000
it makes that full turn then you can see

744
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,880
its navigation lights blinking yeah

745
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,240
so you weren't able to see any

746
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,840
navigation lights

747
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,440
there was no strobing there was no

748
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,240
lights again jason checked air traffic

749
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,640
uh nothing he and then as we were on the

750
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,559
phone he goes hey there is a helicopter

751
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,640
going through that plane right now and i

752
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,159
could see it i'm like yeah i could see

753
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,320
it's directly to the south you know it's

754
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,760
over abbotsford heading towards

755
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:03,679
aldergrove that type of thing

756
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,640
and uh yeah we i i could track the the

757
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,640
air traffic but it was nowhere near

758
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,080
where this thing was

759
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,840
so and it wasn't very high like i would

760
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,159
say if i had to guess maybe a thousand

761
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,320
feet it wasn't like i'm looking straight

762
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,960
up in the air i was looking out my view

763
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,039
and it was over in that kind of two

764
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,600
o'clock position for me and you know

765
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,760
first i saw it thought nothing of it saw

766
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,320
it 20 minutes later commented my wife

767
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,799
then started filming taking pictures and

768
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:32,960
it was there another 25 minutes or so

769
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,159
and then it just very slowly disappeared

770
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,320
wow blinked out yeah i definitely want

771
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,159
to take a look at that yeah

772
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,080
and like i said i've got stills of it

773
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,960
with filters without filters uh and then

774
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,720
all every single picture it seems to

775
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,320
have a different

776
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,640
a different image you know and the ones

777
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,399
that are unfiltered it just looks like a

778
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,440
like a white plasma with like greenish

779
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,320
orange color gradient around it and

780
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,159
every image that gradient's a little

781
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,840
different and it's like almost like a

782
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,440
ball of energy

783
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,360
just shifting every single time you get

784
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,120
a still it looks a little different

785
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,559
because it's never been static right see

786
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,470
oh did we lose jason

787
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,399
oh am i uh am i frozen

788
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,799
no no you're good i'm good

789
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,880
our guest is uh i guess our guest is

790
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:24,159
frozen

791
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:29,590
how about now

792
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,510
but yeah um

793
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,000
what was i saying there

794
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,640
when you're when you're looking at say a

795
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,960
bright object like venus and you're

796
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,960
looking at it through your camera you'll

797
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,880
still see that

798
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,440
that that distortion field it looks like

799
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,320
it's a ball spinning in there yeah but

800
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,240
what it really is is just it's due to

801
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,320
the aperture of your camera so

802
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,840
when people say

803
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,320
it looked like a plasma ball rotating

804
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,200
around and whatnot

805
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,200
a good explanation half the time is is

806
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,960
just because the aperture on on your

807
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,440
camera yeah for sure yeah

808
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,640
and jay we we had a case once that uh i

809
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,000
don't know if you remember this one just

810
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,399
took place about two years ago but

811
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,200
uh

812
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,600
we had a case where somebody in alberta

813
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,480
was going for a walk and they saw

814
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,200
a light near the water

815
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:26,880
and it freaked them out and then as they

816
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,120
walked back they saw another light in

817
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,679
the sky pass over them

818
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640
and

819
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,559
another light sort of like crisscross

820
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,320
and and they were worried that they was

821
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,080
might be ufos and i thought oh that's a

822
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,600
curious case

823
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,360
but when i asked you because this took

824
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,120
place a while back i asked you can you

825
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,080
look on i think was flight radar uh at

826
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,240
this specific date over the specific

827
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,720
lake and you found out it was a uh one

828
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,120
of those planes that lands grabs water

829
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,399
and then flies back out one of those

830
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,640
firefighter planes yeah that that's what

831
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,039
they saw and then when they walked back

832
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,360
uh i figured out on stellarium that what

833
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,039
they saw was the international space

834
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,760
station flying reflecting the sun

835
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,440
so it looked huge to them it looked like

836
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:09,039
this thing in the sky that just passed

837
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,559
them by and there was a commercial

838
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,399
airline a little bit further away so but

839
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,200
just the perfect timing yeah and yeah

840
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,559
that just goes to show you that

841
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,320
sometimes these experiences have a

842
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,720
logical explanation but in this case

843
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,320
they just happened to see two things

844
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,640
that you know in close proximity to each

845
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,320
other that gave the illusion that there

846
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,399
was something flying over the lake that

847
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,799
day right yeah yeah and that happens

848
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,360
that happens like a lot actually it

849
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,440
happens quite often when there's these

850
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,840
serious series of coincidences take

851
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,960
place and they hop at the same time in

852
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,799
the same area yeah

853
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,200
just perfect perfect combination to give

854
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,760
that that illusion for sure right that's

855
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:50,159
right but then when you write it out

856
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,120
uh

857
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:52,880
it looks like it's somebody's trying to

858
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,240
give off some [\h__\h] explanation right

859
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,360
swamp gas yeah exactly i always feel

860
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,039
like that when i would write to the

861
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,720
person like hey this is what you saw

862
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,559
whatever i always felt like oh man they

863
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,159
think i'm just pulling a high neck on

864
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,919
them right now for the government you're

865
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,679
just trying to downplay my experience

866
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,159
exactly i i totally disagree with what

867
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,399
you say is the conclusion to this uh

868
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,159
investigation but

869
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:17,919
yeah have you had that jay have you had

870
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:20,799
people like probably bounce back on you

871
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,120
i've gotten hate mail i hate me

872
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,720
i've been told i've been a paid

873
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,799
government shill i've been i've been

874
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,360
called a lot of things

875
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,120
because

876
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,640
as you know

877
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,120
it takes a lot to impress me and it's

878
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,799
mainly because i've been in this field

879
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,360
for so long and i've seen

880
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,320
how a lot of like 99 of these cases

881
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,159
usually play out as something

882
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,240
explainable under these different types

883
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,320
of circumstances which make it seem

884
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,960
extraordinary at the time

885
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,679
and i've seen that happen so many times

886
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,720
that

887
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,360
i can usually piece it together pretty

888
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:01,200
fast what they saw

889
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,080
and

890
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,559
when i try to explain that to them they

891
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,000
get very upset

892
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,000
there's a lot of people that that

893
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,880
need to believe that though everything

894
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:12,960
in the night sky every airplane every

895
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,080
satellite is a ufo for some reason it

896
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,000
gives them comfort so i'm not no one to

897
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,760
take that comfort away from anybody i'm

898
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,720
just

899
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,120
there to give you the scientific facts

900
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,159
that's just the way it goes yeah now one

901
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,840
of the things that we i want to talk

902
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,240
about is if somebody wanted to become a

903
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,840
ufo investigator let's say they want to

904
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,600
get off the couch and they want to

905
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,080
become active with mufon what are the

906
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,760
steps for that what what do they need to

907
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,360
do

908
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,559
stop watching these youtube videos that

909
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,120
show all these

910
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,320
ufo videos these compilation of ufo

911
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:50,320
videos of something

912
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,440
like

913
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:53,440
there's there's a bunch of ufo channels

914
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,399
out there i'm not going to name them but

915
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:59,039
they're majority of host hoax pushers

916
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,159
right

917
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,919
stop watching those

918
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,000
and

919
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,240
come into it with an open mind but

920
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:08,960
realize that

921
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,320
the phenomenon is more rare than it is

922
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,679
open

923
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:15,679
if that makes sense like

924
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,639
you're going to see for every ufo case

925
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,359
that you investigate a hundred of them

926
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,560
are

927
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,480
absolutely explainable

928
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,520
and there's that one just that one that

929
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,359
can teeter on well maybe it could have

930
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,960
been this or it could have been that but

931
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,000
we got no explanation for it right now

932
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,639
so if you have a mind like that

933
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,040
and you're willing to accept that not

934
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,359
everything in the sky is a ufo then

935
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:43,679
absolutely we want you to come take a

936
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,599
look into mufon and you could do that by

937
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,359
going onto the website

938
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,480
and

939
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,839
become a member

940
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,280
from there you're going to

941
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,720
fill out the

942
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,480
quick questionnaire kind of a thing and

943
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:58,079
then you're going to be sent a test to

944
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:59,040
do

945
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,160
and

946
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,640
test is going to have i'm not sure if

947
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,480
it's a hundred questions

948
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:06,160
i can't remember what it is i think i

949
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,520
think it's a hundred questions and you

950
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,599
gotta get seventy percent or or better

951
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,599
yeah yeah yeah and your goal our goal we

952
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,800
want

953
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,119
people to be able to

954
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,440
have a higher percentile correct in

955
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,839
those so

956
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:22,560
take a look at the resource material

957
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,400
that's provided through mufon and

958
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,599
just come into it knowing that

959
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,760
your entire

960
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,920
perception of the phenomenon could be

961
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:36,160
shifted once you start looking into

962
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:37,359
these cases

963
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,160
like

964
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,359
there was a time that i didn't see any

965
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,760
anything unexplainable for probably six

966
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,480
months and it gets really jading after

967
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,320
that because you're just seeing the same

968
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,040
old thing over and over again it's okay

969
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:53,200
well they saw a meteor this person saw

970
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,320
an airplane this person saw starlink and

971
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,880
these other 50 people saw starlink

972
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,520
and but when you get that one case

973
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,520
that's unexplainable

974
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:05,760
that's what brings it back it sparks

975
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,200
that magic for you again

976
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,200
yeah i think one of the first cases that

977
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,640
i had and i mentioned this before on the

978
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,800
podcast is one of the very first i think

979
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,000
it's

980
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,920
two second clip

981
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,760
it's just two seconds because this kid

982
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,359
had a horseshoe up his butt because he

983
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,599
captured this within two seconds before

984
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,160
his phone takes a picture it records for

985
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:29,599
two seconds

986
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,079
about the size of a ford pickup truck

987
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,200
emerge quickly out of the fraser river

988
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,720
and into the sky and i think uh

989
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,200
david palacek um

990
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,000
calculated something like

991
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,920
three point something mock

992
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,240
out of the water never made a splash or

993
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,079
anything like that and we calculated the

994
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,520
size because it was right by a train

995
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,320
track with a train carts on it

996
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,960
it's amazing that this is actually in

997
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,560
the waters

998
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,760
this

999
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,079
phenomenon happens in the water as much

1000
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,079
as it does in the sky probably

1001
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,480
predominantly in underwater more than it

1002
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,920
is in the sky

1003
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,240
so i i found that to be the case anyways

1004
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,160
that there's always water sources or

1005
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,560
mines near these areas you work near

1006
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,160
mines have you found that to be the case

1007
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,839
like have you had any reports from

1008
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,520
anybody there saying they see something

1009
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,560
strange

1010
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:25,119
i got first-hand account of one there oh

1011
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,870
please do tell

1012
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,680
[Laughter]

1013
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,920
i it was summer day

1014
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,640
and i think it was it had to be about 10

1015
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,720
o'clock in the morning and i was headed

1016
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,599
out out to do a a tour of one of our

1017
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,079
tailings impoundments and as i was

1018
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,400
coming down the hill something shiny in

1019
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,640
the sky caught my eye

1020
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,599
and

1021
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,440
as i go down the hill

1022
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:49,760
it gets blocked out by

1023
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,720
the the slope of one of our dams so i

1024
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,440
come around and fully expecting it to be

1025
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,560
a bird

1026
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,480
i come up to the bottom of this other

1027
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,400
hill and straight up

1028
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,520
is this object it's a metallic object

1029
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,480
and it's just sitting there and it has a

1030
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,640
cigar shape to it

1031
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,040
i get up to the top of the hill i park

1032
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,440
my truck and i happen to have my camera

1033
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,079
on me as well i start taking pictures

1034
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:18,320
and i even got had enough time to set up

1035
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:19,040
the

1036
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,079
i wouldn't be screwing around with it

1037
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,160
and i was able to take video

1038
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,400
of it basically being stabilized because

1039
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,240
of the hood of my truck and i just

1040
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:33,280
recorded it and this object just

1041
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,400
sat there

1042
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,280
and i recorded it for about 15 minutes

1043
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,000
before it suddenly started moving off to

1044
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,320
the to the west

1045
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,240
it started going off to the west very

1046
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:47,440
slowly and it's clear everything is blue

1047
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,280
from the ground up the whole sky is blue

1048
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,200
and i recorded it and

1049
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,520
i don't know how big it was but i

1050
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,680
checked flight radar there was nothing

1051
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,359
on the flight radar

1052
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,880
and

1053
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,280
out there it's entirely possible it

1054
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,000
could be a plane because not every plane

1055
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,320
uh broadcasts

1056
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,880
the eight what is that

1057
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,640
i can't remember the signal name but

1058
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,800
yeah not every plane broadcasts that

1059
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,640
frequency to be able to pick up on

1060
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,320
flight radar

1061
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,160
and uh

1062
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,560
i still hope it was a ufo though because

1063
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,800
i got pictures of it as pure white and

1064
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,160
it's it's just

1065
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,560
it was enough to stump me anyway

1066
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,320
it was that one that was over on mine

1067
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,480
site yeah and you're a trained observer

1068
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,240
so that uh

1069
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,960
kind of goes to show that even to

1070
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,720
people and mufon that

1071
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,560
so sometimes poo poo in other people's

1072
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,920
cases because it happens to be

1073
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,440
explainable can actually have something

1074
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,680
happen to them that is unexplainable

1075
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,760
which that's right yeah and that only

1076
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,839
cements the the further questioning and

1077
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,720
all that and sort of perpetuates our

1078
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,800
need to keep investigating as well right

1079
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,280
so that's right exactly right that's

1080
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,440
good

1081
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,800
i wanted to ask you what do you think

1082
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,200
about you know all the current uap news

1083
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,200
you know like hot topics right now on

1084
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,760
ufo twitter and all the rest basically

1085
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,079
like they you know the a-tip program the

1086
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,880
tic tac video 2017 until now

1087
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,319
what do you think about the last five

1088
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,760
years and kind of where do you see it

1089
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,760
going

1090
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,240
i i truly believe that we are in the

1091
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:22,880
midst of a disclosure right now a drip

1092
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,160
disclosure yeah so

1093
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,839
we're we're getting these little tidbits

1094
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,480
of information and then it goes radio

1095
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,240
silence for a couple months and then a

1096
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,760
little bit more will come out and

1097
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,000
somebody else will do uh an interview

1098
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,400
with something with somebody and a

1099
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,839
little bit more information will be

1100
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,920
learned about something i think

1101
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,040
right now we're absolutely in

1102
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,079
a disclosure period but it's a very slow

1103
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,520
drip one

1104
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:50,640
and

1105
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,839
i'm really excited for what's going to

1106
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,440
be as

1107
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,160
in the realm of science fact in the next

1108
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,160
five years

1109
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,040
i'm really looking forward to

1110
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,800
seeing

1111
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,880
what we think now

1112
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,839
versus what we know then in the next

1113
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,960
five years because it can be a pretty

1114
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:14,480
exciting

1115
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,160
going to happen and what more

1116
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,000
information is going to come out

1117
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,079
especially when

1118
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,000
you have these prominent government

1119
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:27,040
officials backing these stories up

1120
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,839
and

1121
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:29,520
when it comes down to it they have

1122
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,119
really no reason or justification to

1123
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,920
want to be lying about this because it's

1124
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,000
going to hurt them in the end for them

1125
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,119
even coming out about it but

1126
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,800
i just think it's a really interesting

1127
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,280
time very interesting time and probably

1128
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,480
the most interesting for this phenomenon

1129
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:50,000
to date

1130
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:51,119
our guests have been telling us

1131
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,400
basically the same thing you know we

1132
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,160
interviewed guys like sean cahill and

1133
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,119
george knapp and uh you know the moore

1134
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,280
and colin kelleher a scientist and

1135
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,200
microbiologist and the more we talk

1136
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,800
about it these were what you know quote

1137
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,440
unquote nuts and bolts ufo guys and

1138
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,119
they're all now saying no man this is

1139
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,839
like about consciousness and you know uh

1140
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,480
inter-dimensional type ideas this is a

1141
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,359
quantum physics this is not necessarily

1142
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,359
just craft this the breadth of

1143
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,839
phenomenon um you know even like skin

1144
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,440
walker ranch and everything associated

1145
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,119
with that too it's he's like the more

1146
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,800
we're going down the rabbit hole the

1147
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:27,200
more obscure it's becoming and we really

1148
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,160
don't

1149
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,319
have a a grasp of it because i asked him

1150
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,760
too you know why doesn't it feel like

1151
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,960
disclosure

1152
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,640
they you know the government finally

1153
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,760
admits something that they've never

1154
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,839
admitted before they release video why

1155
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,119
are we not jumping up and down the

1156
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,440
streets and i totally agree with you it

1157
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,880
feels like we're getting it but we're

1158
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,400
getting it in little bits

1159
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,000
yeah we're also getting it from the same

1160
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,680
people that told us for the last 70

1161
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,960
years hey there's nothing here don't

1162
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,280
worry about it so it's kind of hard to

1163
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,119
just you know be a sheep all of a sudden

1164
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,119
and be like oh okay yeah now they're

1165
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,200
leveling with us i'm still skeptic at

1166
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,480
mine for sure oh for damn sure and and

1167
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,680
having that

1168
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,680
that that being a skeptic is probably

1169
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,920
the absolute best approach in this field

1170
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:07,040
yeah

1171
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,119
like that and to uh because i've been i

1172
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,040
i got caught

1173
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,800
you know being suckered into cases that

1174
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,720
were completely false

1175
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,119
and i feel ashamed because i'm like is

1176
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,280
it me it's just it's just you want to

1177
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,359
believe it's true you really want to

1178
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,440
be a part of it if it is something legit

1179
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:27,040
you don't want to miss it if it is too

1180
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,640
right yeah yeah

1181
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,560
and that's the thing like even for me

1182
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,079
back in you know i

1183
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,319
believe bob lazar 100

1184
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,560
and i know some people don't but just

1185
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,319
putting yourself out there now like even

1186
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,079
on twitter which is another thing jason

1187
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:41,680
like you you are on twitter now you're

1188
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,720
not big on social media usually but you

1189
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,880
are on twitter which is yeah which is

1190
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,040
great uh we'll tell the people where

1191
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,880
where to look that up um

1192
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,400
before we close here but what do you

1193
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,160
think about the whole twitter war and

1194
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,920
what's taking place like you know a lot

1195
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,280
of people have been attacking louis

1196
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,119
elizondo as of late

1197
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,200
lou's been quite quiet on twitter and

1198
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,359
people keep fighting on there under uh

1199
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,599
ufo twitter so what are your thoughts on

1200
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,319
what's going on there like why we all

1201
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:10,000
fighting each other and calling each

1202
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,640
that is so [\h__\h] true

1203
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,920
[Laughter]

1204
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,720
the world of trolls man yeah

1205
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,359
yeah ufo twitter is it can be quite the

1206
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,839
cesspool sometimes but

1207
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,839
yeah i love it though i love it there

1208
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:28,880
there's

1209
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:34,240
straight up wackos and

1210
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,160
the amount of people that fall for

1211
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,240
these

1212
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,720
i i i don't want to give out names but

1213
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,359
there's this one kid on there

1214
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,440
that he's

1215
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,200
the son of a [\h__\h] acts like he's some

1216
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,960
[\h__\h] prophet or something like that

1217
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,040
and he knows all the answers and he's

1218
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,200
telling people you gotta open your mind

1219
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,839
and and love one another and this once

1220
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,760
you accept this then they'll start

1221
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,839
appearing in your home like

1222
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,680
shut the [\h__\h] up kid you don't know what

1223
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,280
the hell you're talking about you're 18

1224
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,119
years old not saying that age has a

1225
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,040
factor of it but

1226
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:11,040
he he just read a couple books and now

1227
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,400
he's just

1228
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,960
verbal diarrheaing this [\h__\h] out and

1229
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,960
he's got all these followers about it

1230
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,119
that are that are hooked into this type

1231
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:20,960
of garbage

1232
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,720
i just want people to be able to

1233
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:27,920
not take everything they read on ufo

1234
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,200
twitter as a fact and look into it for

1235
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,359
themselves yeah don't be a sheep don't

1236
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,280
believe everything you read

1237
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,599
even if it seems like wow that that's

1238
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,079
incredible look into it for yourself

1239
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,680
like i don't know how many hearts i've

1240
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,359
had to break and how many bubbles i've

1241
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,280
had to pop on that thing

1242
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,760
but usually once i provide the evidence

1243
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,200
and show them

1244
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,440
then they okay yeah no we see yeah but

1245
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,880
then there's other people that will try

1246
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,480
to say something

1247
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,359
and they get flamed right away they get

1248
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,680
they get torched or even trying to say

1249
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,000
that something's not a ufo on there or

1250
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,280
something it's it's crazy at times

1251
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,040
and it all depends on how you approach

1252
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,119
people too like it's hard to convey an

1253
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,319
emotion

1254
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,480
in however many characters twitter

1255
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,040
allows you to to type out there

1256
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,560
and text

1257
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,400
text is the worst kind of form of

1258
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,800
communication right yes because it could

1259
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,839
be just misconstrued in so many ways

1260
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,200
how many times do you get in a text

1261
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,280
fight with your wife or girlfriend and

1262
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,359
you mean it with a certain inflection in

1263
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,920
your voice and she takes it as what's

1264
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,599
that supposed to mean and then it's like

1265
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,359
you have this massive argument that's

1266
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:37,200
based on nothing just because there was

1267
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,720
no sense smiley face at the end yeah

1268
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,400
yeah you don't know is it a sarcastic

1269
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,319
smiley now are you poking the bear you

1270
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,839
try to make him mad

1271
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,079
you go forever with that see i have a

1272
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,240
rule i never fight over the phone

1273
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,520
i i try

1274
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,920
so we'll talk about it later so i try to

1275
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,400
limit that because it's it's true like

1276
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,319
you know even i wrote stuff on the

1277
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,720
internet a few times and it's come back

1278
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,240
and bit me in the butt

1279
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,800
so i'm like no i know not to to poke the

1280
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,880
bear or even put anything out there

1281
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,520
really uh without having some sort of

1282
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,599
criticism and even this podcast i was

1283
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,520
talking to louis i'm like even this

1284
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,599
podcast so far we haven't had bad

1285
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,119
criticism everybody's been really

1286
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,839
positive but it's coming and that's if i

1287
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,000
name drop or date drop or talk about a

1288
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,680
fact you better believe i have it

1289
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,280
written here and i double check cause

1290
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,680
some idiot with nothing better to do is

1291
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,440
gonna tell me how stupid i am that it

1292
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,040
was 1991 not 1990. and i just don't have

1293
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,720
any patience for that so i checked my

1294
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,800
[\h__\h] because i don't want to hear it

1295
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,480
and you know what that that is awesome

1296
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,800
that you do that and at the same time

1297
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,359
it's also awesome that there are people

1298
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,359
that are willing to

1299
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,760
look into these things and correct them

1300
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,280
that's remember when i always said to

1301
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,480
you jason

1302
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,880
fill out these reports

1303
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:54,559
like

1304
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,480
for a scientist to be looking over them

1305
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,640
have as much detail as you can leave

1306
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,880
nothing to their imagination leave no

1307
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,720
doubt that you've checked and looked

1308
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,040
into everything over and over again

1309
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,720
because there always is somebody that's

1310
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,960
going to come by and take a look yeah

1311
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:12,400
and

1312
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,520
you know so you just got to be prepared

1313
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:19,760
for stuff like that but we need those

1314
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,720
types of people at the same time because

1315
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,800
a lot of things get solved that way too

1316
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,240
because they're they're taking the

1317
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,880
second look the third look into it but

1318
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,200
their approach sometimes of hey [\h__\h]

1319
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,800
you did this wrong like you know it

1320
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,680
could be a little bit nicer come across

1321
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,680
a little better

1322
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,880
but yeah

1323
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,839
yeah

1324
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,200
people are still people at the end of

1325
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,880
the day and like you mentioned on a

1326
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,040
previous show jason that if anybody can

1327
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,559
call you an idiot or say they don't

1328
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:48,400
value your opinion or i don't like your

1329
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,280
show

1330
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,440
um but i guess it's good that it's

1331
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,720
getting out there anyway right if you're

1332
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,400
hitting a nerve you're probably doing it

1333
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,240
right so yeah that's right that's

1334
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,319
[\h__\h] right you either like it or you

1335
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,400
don't that's pretty much uh the way it

1336
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,319
is with podcasts is if you don't like it

1337
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,079
don't listen to it i find it funny when

1338
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,520
somebody's just trolling all the

1339
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,640
episodes it's like you're still

1340
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,680
listening

1341
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:09,920
you're still a listener of this podcast

1342
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,280
so yeah i'll send you a t-shirt bruh

1343
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,920
we get very little if any hate mail it's

1344
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,480
mainly been all love and uh positive

1345
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,240
yeah on our social media pages people

1346
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,839
saying like this is the kind of show

1347
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,079
more people need to hear fact-based

1348
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,440
science-minded skeptical but open and

1349
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,599
let's investigate guys like george knapp

1350
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,880
you know people who've made 30-year

1351
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,800
career out of it and people that work

1352
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,280
for the government and scientists and

1353
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,000
people that aren't into fringe stuff

1354
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,839
and let's just get you know don't leave

1355
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,240
anything out give us everything

1356
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,599
and let people make their own decision

1357
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,359
based on what they're gonna believe or

1358
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,720
not at the end of the day they probably

1359
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,480
got their mind formed five minutes in

1360
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,720
but if somebody learns a new fact or it

1361
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,480
kind of sparks up that interest for them

1362
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,559
to go out and do some good work then

1363
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,559
we're accomplishing our mission that's

1364
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,119
exactly right and jason before we close

1365
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,559
here uh do you have any book

1366
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:02,480
recommendation for somebody who wants to

1367
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,359
be an investigator anything that for you

1368
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,119
has been

1369
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,040
an important not just a book when you

1370
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,960
were a kid in a library but like a book

1371
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,960
for investigators you once made a

1372
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,359
suggestion to me and i uh was wondering

1373
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,280
if you can make the same suggestion to

1374
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:18,800
the listeners

1375
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,390
damn it it's a it's a very good book

1376
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,040
and we just don't know the title

1377
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,559
yeah i can't remember the name of it now

1378
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,760
damn it

1379
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:36,240
okay it's okay it's okay i got a book

1380
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,440
and

1381
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,720
i can

1382
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,240
put it in the comment section or

1383
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,200
something afterwards but

1384
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,920
the canadian ufo report by chris

1385
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,400
rutkowski is a really good place for

1386
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:49,920
people to start

1387
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,040
there there's a lot of classic cases in

1388
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,960
that book that

1389
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,359
people should take a look at

1390
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,200
it's uh

1391
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,760
who was it by chris kratowski and jeff

1392
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,800
dittman

1393
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,319
okay

1394
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,119
yeah the canadian ufo report the best

1395
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,640
cases

1396
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,400
revealed is something something along

1397
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,559
those lines and

1398
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,599
that has a lot of canadian history cases

1399
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,440
in it with some explanations in it as

1400
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,559
well

1401
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,240
and

1402
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,280
it it covers a very broad spectrum from

1403
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,680
basically from the 40s till

1404
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,839
until most recently like in the 2000s i

1405
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:29,920
think it was right

1406
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,040
now canada needs a louis lozando

1407
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,359
and i think i'd vote for you to become

1408
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:37,760
you know a candidate for that at least

1409
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:38,559
yeah

1410
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,559
because uh we you know recently we've

1411
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,040
had uh a politician i think it's larry

1412
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,680
mcguire that's been pushing for did i

1413
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,040
get that right or i'm saying that's

1414
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,880
right mixing jerry maguire with larry

1415
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,880
mcguire

1416
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,319
but he's come out and he said you know

1417
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,520
he would like to know more about

1418
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,000
canadian events with ufos near our

1419
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,559
nuclear facilities and near our military

1420
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,559
facilities as well which i thought oh

1421
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,880
that's great momentum and then it just

1422
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,480
went silent

1423
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,559
and i don't know if he's gotten you know

1424
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,240
some people say hey maybe lay off the

1425
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,520
uap stuff but yeah the states is sort of

1426
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,920
you know they're priming themselves up

1427
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,079
right now to for disclosure and canada

1428
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,839
just seems so

1429
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:20,720
quiet

1430
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,920
need a louis lozando in canada for sure

1431
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:28,319
yeah we do we absolutely do

1432
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:31,520
jason where can people find you online

1433
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:35,599
so you could reach me on twitter at uap

1434
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,559
bay

1435
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,400
that's u a p

1436
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,400
b a y

1437
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,760
or you could drop me an email at t bay

1438
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,119
mufon

1439
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:47,040
at outlook.com

1440
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,640
perfect

1441
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,559
louie have any final questions for you i

1442
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,680
just want to thank you very much for

1443
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,040
coming on our show it's been a pleasure

1444
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,119
chatting with you uh you represented

1445
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,760
mufon and particularly canada really

1446
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,119
really well so

1447
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,880
we're proud to have some good minds uh

1448
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:02,720
not only on the show but just in our

1449
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,599
collective uh and as being canadians

1450
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,680
we're just as into this as the americans

1451
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,079
or the british or australians and this

1452
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,240
is not a uh it's not a phenomenon that

1453
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,559
has boundaries or borders and it's good

1454
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,640
for people to keep that momentum going

1455
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,200
if they're in germany doing this go hard

1456
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,520
if you're in canada the u.s keep going

1457
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,359
keep consuming the media let's get more

1458
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,880
and more intelligent people hooked on

1459
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,800
this we have people all the time tell us

1460
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,160
that they're now into this because of

1461
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,480
the show we put it in digestible little

1462
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,920
snippets that everybody can take

1463
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,079
something from so uh so thanks for being

1464
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:36,240
a part of that and uh glad to have you

1465
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,200
on the show

1466
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,920
thanks very much for having me again and

1467
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,559
uh we'll do it again sometime yo you got

1468
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,160
it thanks jay

1469
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,160
right on have a great one guys and

1470
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,599
before we go

1471
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,040
the canadian ufo survey 2021 if you're

1472
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,960
interested in this [\h__\h] take a look at

1473
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,920
it

1474
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,680
perfect thank you so much jay we'll have

1475
00:54:00,040 --> 00:53:57,359
you back on again okay